1 00:00:14,330 --> 00:00:11,720 I was in the recovery force the Pacific 2 00:00:16,540 --> 00:00:14,340 recovery for CTF 130s did four combined 3 00:00:18,620 --> 00:00:16,550 task force 130 was a Navy Air Force 4 00:00:20,359 --> 00:00:18,630 operation there was a great fleet of 5 00:00:24,170 --> 00:00:20,369 Navy people and three of us Air Force 6 00:00:26,750 --> 00:00:24,180 people involved in recovery of all 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:26,760 Apollo missions and I was a public 8 00:00:35,150 --> 00:00:29,490 forest guy for one of those couple for 9 00:00:37,430 --> 00:00:35,160 CTF 130 and involved in in recovery of 10 00:00:38,570 --> 00:00:37,440 Apollo 11 back in Honolulu well I've 11 00:00:41,930 --> 00:00:38,580 been I had to sit in an underground 12 00:00:46,460 --> 00:00:41,940 control center lots of nights listening 13 00:00:49,639 --> 00:00:46,470 to to the Apollo spacecraft talked to to 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:49,649 Houston and occasionally we would break 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:52,410 the boredom by getting to call the ship 16 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:55,250 for a for a communications check 17 00:00:59,299 --> 00:00:57,600 translunar Coast there was no way when 18 00:01:01,010 --> 00:00:59,309 the once the crew left Earth orbit on 19 00:01:02,900 --> 00:01:01,020 her way to the moon it was no earthly 20 00:01:04,430 --> 00:01:02,910 way that they could you know get back 21 00:01:06,380 --> 00:01:04,440 and land in the in the ocean 22 00:01:08,660 --> 00:01:06,390 inadvertently or unexpectedly who just 23 00:01:11,779 --> 00:01:08,670 physics don't allow that so we had these 24 00:01:15,260 --> 00:01:11,789 long gaps of time when we sat on 25 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:15,270 consoles and listen to the conversation 26 00:01:18,170 --> 00:01:17,070 back and forth but knew that we didn't 27 00:01:20,719 --> 00:01:18,180 really have any action other than to 28 00:01:22,190 --> 00:01:20,729 keep the ships out there I sort of had 29 00:01:23,420 --> 00:01:22,200 to make a choice for some reason we 30 00:01:25,580 --> 00:01:23,430 didn't have the television in the 31 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:25,590 underground control center and in one 32 00:01:28,850 --> 00:01:27,060 hand I remember thinking about this I 33 00:01:30,859 --> 00:01:28,860 was a young first lieutenant and I was 34 00:01:33,109 --> 00:01:30,869 very very excited about being part of 35 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:33,119 this Apollo program even though we were 36 00:01:37,070 --> 00:01:34,850 sort of felt we were on the fringes and 37 00:01:38,660 --> 00:01:37,080 we weren't real NASA we were the 38 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:38,670 military who was doing a service for 39 00:01:44,660 --> 00:01:42,810 NASA and I remember thinking gee where 40 00:01:46,460 --> 00:01:44,670 do I want to be when they land on the 41 00:01:48,620 --> 00:01:46,470 moon should I be in the control center 42 00:01:51,140 --> 00:01:48,630 sitting on console so that I can tell my 43 00:01:53,149 --> 00:01:51,150 grandchildren that I was there and in 44 00:01:55,940 --> 00:01:53,159 the recovery control center 45 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:55,950 plugged in listening to this epic event 46 00:02:00,530 --> 00:01:58,650 and then I discovered that we weren't 47 00:02:02,810 --> 00:02:00,540 going to get TV signals so this down in 48 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:02,820 the control center so I elected to sit 49 00:02:06,499 --> 00:02:04,110 home and watch it so I can see it on 50 00:02:08,419 --> 00:02:06,509 television rather than be in the control 51 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:08,429 center and I think I've made the right 52 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:16,449 okay there was a concern that there 53 00:02:23,020 --> 00:02:19,370 might possibly be some bacterial 54 00:02:25,059 --> 00:02:23,030 microbes on the surface of the of the 55 00:02:27,220 --> 00:02:25,069 moon that would be brought back and all 56 00:02:30,699 --> 00:02:27,230 the dust that was coarse on their 57 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:30,709 clothes and hands and when they bring it 58 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:32,209 bring the suits back and they get 59 00:02:37,690 --> 00:02:35,540 exposed to the to the dust you have to 60 00:02:40,420 --> 00:02:37,700 put it in context the Andromeda Strain 61 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:40,430 Michael Crichton's book it was very 62 00:02:45,399 --> 00:02:43,450 successful about you know a 63 00:02:48,610 --> 00:02:45,409 extraterrestrial microbe that gets loose 64 00:02:49,869 --> 00:02:48,620 and eats the earth so I don't know 65 00:02:51,699 --> 00:02:49,879 whether there was a I don't know how 66 00:02:53,379 --> 00:02:51,709 much of a concern there was I wasn't 67 00:02:55,899 --> 00:02:53,389 part of NASA so I couldn't judge that 68 00:02:58,089 --> 00:02:55,909 but the bottom line was they shipped us 69 00:02:59,229 --> 00:02:58,099 this what looked like a Airstream 70 00:03:01,990 --> 00:02:59,239 trailer without wheels 71 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:02,000 in fact it said Airstream on the end of 72 00:03:05,289 --> 00:03:03,680 it over the window just and the 73 00:03:08,289 --> 00:03:05,299 instructions were to quarantine the 74 00:03:09,119 --> 00:03:08,299 astronauts as soon as we got her back on 75 00:03:14,110 --> 00:03:09,129 the ship 76 00:03:16,420 --> 00:03:14,120 so when the helicopters would would land 77 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:16,430 on on the ship and this was true of 78 00:03:21,189 --> 00:03:19,970 three missions the the the crewmen three 79 00:03:24,670 --> 00:03:21,199 crew members would get out of the 80 00:03:27,899 --> 00:03:24,680 helicopter wearing masks that was some 81 00:03:31,689 --> 00:03:27,909 sort of biological isolation masks and 82 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:31,699 biological isolation well flight suits 83 00:03:39,429 --> 00:03:35,769 they were not real real contained but 84 00:03:40,839 --> 00:03:39,439 then after a brief physical they put him 85 00:03:43,149 --> 00:03:40,849 in this trailer which was sitting on the 86 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:43,159 hangar deck of the ship not very not 87 00:03:46,089 --> 00:03:44,720 very plush no air-conditioning it was 88 00:03:49,059 --> 00:03:46,099 hot down in the South Pacific 89 00:03:51,069 --> 00:03:49,069 so the the mqf would be put on the 90 00:03:52,929 --> 00:03:51,079 hangar deck which is the second deck 91 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:52,939 it's the deck immediately below the 92 00:03:58,449 --> 00:03:56,329 flight deck and it's kind of open 93 00:03:59,559 --> 00:03:58,459 there's big gaps or you could see out 94 00:04:01,059 --> 00:03:59,569 into the ocean and they had the thing 95 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:01,069 oriented in a way that the crew members 96 00:04:07,119 --> 00:04:04,970 stuck in this trailer could sit and look 97 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:07,129 out through the window towards the ocean 98 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:09,290 so they could see a horizon reference if 99 00:04:12,129 --> 00:04:10,970 the seas were choppy you could you know 100 00:04:16,629 --> 00:04:12,139 at least get a reference to the horizon 101 00:04:17,890 --> 00:04:16,639 so you wouldn't get sick so they were 102 00:04:20,860 --> 00:04:17,900 stuck in that thing while the ship 103 00:04:22,209 --> 00:04:20,870 steamed all the way to Pearl Harbor most 104 00:04:26,140 --> 00:04:22,219 of the recovery took place down the 105 00:04:26,890 --> 00:04:26,150 South Pacific in the samoa area so that 106 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:26,900 was took a 107 00:04:32,590 --> 00:04:30,080 while I remember maybe five days six 108 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:32,600 days to steam up to Pearl Harbor in the 109 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:35,330 case of Apollo 11 when the ship docked 110 00:04:39,730 --> 00:04:37,970 at Pearl Harbor at dock Donna not a main 111 00:04:44,350 --> 00:04:39,740 pier right across from the BX the 112 00:04:49,150 --> 00:04:44,360 exchange highly visible area and we had 113 00:04:51,070 --> 00:04:49,160 set up a reviewing stand there we had 114 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:51,080 chairs put out for dignitaries and on 115 00:04:56,439 --> 00:04:52,850 this big platform that we had built 116 00:04:59,409 --> 00:04:56,449 wooden plywood covered platform we had 117 00:05:00,909 --> 00:04:59,419 on all six or seven chairs gap and then 118 00:05:03,990 --> 00:05:00,919 six or seven chairs on the other side 119 00:05:07,629 --> 00:05:04,000 and the gap was for the mqf so the ship 120 00:05:09,430 --> 00:05:07,639 took this Airstream trailer wasted it 121 00:05:12,820 --> 00:05:09,440 over the side and lowered it carefully 122 00:05:14,830 --> 00:05:12,830 down onto this platform and seated up on 123 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:14,840 the platform were people like the 124 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:17,570 president the United States and we had a 125 00:05:21,580 --> 00:05:19,310 little welcoming ceremony there Pearl 126 00:05:23,740 --> 00:05:21,590 Harbor this was the first chance that 127 00:05:26,350 --> 00:05:23,750 the media other than the cool people 128 00:05:27,939 --> 00:05:26,360 that were on the ship had to see then 129 00:05:30,219 --> 00:05:27,949 and hear from the crew and if I remember 130 00:05:33,159 --> 00:05:30,229 right we plugged a PA system in where 131 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:33,169 the where the crew could talk kneel you 132 00:05:37,089 --> 00:05:34,370 know if I remember right Neal was the 133 00:05:38,230 --> 00:05:37,099 spokesman and said a few words as part 134 00:05:41,620 --> 00:05:38,240 of this little ceremony they were all 135 00:05:43,420 --> 00:05:41,630 duly welcomed back all the dignitaries 136 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:43,430 went off to a reception leaving a few of 137 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:44,930 us there to figure out what to do with 138 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:48,010 these guys and their Airstream trailer 139 00:05:59,050 --> 00:05:56,320 vehicle designed to carry cargo and 140 00:06:02,560 --> 00:05:59,060 slide it into the inside of an airplane 141 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:02,570 so it's a it's a big platform with 142 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:04,970 rollers and it has wheels and it can go 143 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:07,490 up and down different heights and we had 144 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:09,080 hallways things over from Hickam Air 145 00:06:15,070 --> 00:06:10,610 Force Base which is next door to Pearl 146 00:06:16,870 --> 00:06:15,080 Harbor and after the crowd left we again 147 00:06:19,029 --> 00:06:16,880 used a crane to lift the thing up and 148 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:19,039 set it on this K loader strap it down 149 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:20,690 because k-loaders got wheels on it 150 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:23,330 rollers on the top of this platform and 151 00:06:30,580 --> 00:06:27,680 an airman I got in the cab of this thing 152 00:06:33,610 --> 00:06:30,590 and started off down the pier and there 153 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:33,620 was a flatbed truck that had come over 154 00:06:36,909 --> 00:06:35,090 with some of the equipment that was 155 00:06:39,550 --> 00:06:36,919 associated the k-loaders so two or three 156 00:06:40,159 --> 00:06:39,560 of us got in the back of the steak truck 157 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:40,169 and 158 00:06:43,730 --> 00:06:41,370 it up in the front you know with their 159 00:06:47,929 --> 00:06:43,740 arms over the cab and followed behind 160 00:06:50,629 --> 00:06:47,939 the mqf and the mqf had safety belts on 161 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:50,639 the seats that were designed for use in 162 00:06:55,399 --> 00:06:53,090 flight takeoffs and landings I assume 163 00:06:56,950 --> 00:06:55,409 that the crew didn't I guess they 164 00:06:59,989 --> 00:06:56,960 assumed they were pretty safe so they 165 00:07:01,309 --> 00:06:59,999 they stayed in the window so we looked 166 00:07:03,379 --> 00:07:01,319 at them and they looked at us for about 167 00:07:06,860 --> 00:07:03,389 the 20 minute bumpy drive around this 168 00:07:08,929 --> 00:07:06,870 back road and it was it was not a main 169 00:07:11,149 --> 00:07:08,939 thoroughfare it was a back road that 170 00:07:15,050 --> 00:07:11,159 went around parallel to the to the 171 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:15,060 channel Pearl Harbor channel to get to 172 00:07:17,869 --> 00:07:16,560 Hickam Air Force Base and we wound our 173 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:17,879 way this little procession around its 174 00:07:23,779 --> 00:07:20,310 way through the base out on the flight 175 00:07:25,129 --> 00:07:23,789 line and we had the Apollo command 176 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:25,139 module was already there I don't know 177 00:07:28,159 --> 00:07:27,120 who called it over I guess the Navy had 178 00:07:30,019 --> 00:07:28,169 brought it over I don't know how it got 179 00:07:31,820 --> 00:07:30,029 there but I remember the Apollo command 180 00:07:34,309 --> 00:07:31,830 module was sitting on the ramp on a 181 00:07:37,939 --> 00:07:34,319 little cradle we all went over and you 182 00:07:39,999 --> 00:07:37,949 know knocked on it and felt it which I 183 00:07:42,290 --> 00:07:40,009 realize now we shouldn't have done but 184 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:42,300 and the crew sat there on the scale odor 185 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:44,610 and there was a c-141 Starlifter that's 186 00:07:49,909 --> 00:07:47,969 a rather large for engine jet with a big 187 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:49,919 opening in the back and rowers on the 188 00:07:58,189 --> 00:07:55,919 floor inside and after some some effort 189 00:08:00,170 --> 00:07:58,199 they took the k-loader and ran it up 190 00:08:03,529 --> 00:08:00,180 flush with the floor of that airplane 191 00:08:06,110 --> 00:08:03,539 and manually pushed the trailer into the 192 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:06,120 inside still with the window facing 193 00:08:09,409 --> 00:08:06,810 backwards 194 00:08:12,139 --> 00:08:09,419 you know plane didn't take off I don't 195 00:08:14,899 --> 00:08:12,149 know why but they weren't ready to go so 196 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:14,909 they they locked the mqf down and the to 197 00:08:21,829 --> 00:08:17,490 the floor got it tight to the floor and 198 00:08:24,860 --> 00:08:21,839 we all stood around and here's the mike 199 00:08:26,570 --> 00:08:24,870 buzz and Neil sitting him again still in 200 00:08:28,579 --> 00:08:26,580 the window this rather small window you 201 00:08:30,170 --> 00:08:28,589 see their little three faces like maybe 202 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:30,180 like urchins looking at you through 203 00:08:36,709 --> 00:08:34,190 through a window of a store or something 204 00:08:38,389 --> 00:08:36,719 and they sat and they stared out and and 205 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:38,399 then they disappear I guess they go sit 206 00:08:42,529 --> 00:08:39,659 down for a while then they come back and 207 00:08:44,540 --> 00:08:42,539 look out and because I suppose they were 208 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:44,550 anticipating uh what would have been 209 00:08:49,220 --> 00:08:46,649 maybe a seven-hour eight-hour flight to 210 00:08:51,019 --> 00:08:49,230 Houston and they were gonna be locked up 211 00:08:52,069 --> 00:08:51,029 in there with no daylight or anything so 212 00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:52,079 they stayed in the window for a while 213 00:08:54,230 --> 00:08:54,000 and people would come by and wave at 214 00:08:56,660 --> 00:08:54,240 them 215 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:56,670 they way back and it must have been 216 00:09:04,880 --> 00:08:58,290 interesting for them after being the 217 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:04,890 focus of really the whole world to now 218 00:09:07,699 --> 00:09:06,450 be totally without any control of 219 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:07,709 anything you know they drove this 220 00:09:11,210 --> 00:09:09,690 vehicle to the moon and we're in charge 221 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:11,220 of the whole program and now they're 222 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:13,010 sitting in this mqf why everybody is 223 00:09:22,490 --> 00:09:15,690 flowing around them and they probably 224 00:09:26,329 --> 00:09:24,199 one of the things that it's kind of 225 00:09:27,590 --> 00:09:26,339 interesting as you stand in the museum 226 00:09:29,660 --> 00:09:27,600 and look at the mobile quarantine 227 00:09:31,819 --> 00:09:29,670 facility today as you'll see him there's 228 00:09:34,819 --> 00:09:31,829 the above the window is these big thick 229 00:09:41,329 --> 00:09:34,829 3d letters that say Airstream and you'll 230 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:41,339 notice there's some tape velcro residue 231 00:09:46,309 --> 00:09:44,040 it's just kind of crumbly pieces of 232 00:09:47,689 --> 00:09:46,319 velcro stuck up there and nobody's ever 233 00:09:49,100 --> 00:09:47,699 taken it off because they weren't sure 234 00:09:53,090 --> 00:09:49,110 whether it was historical or not I kind 235 00:09:58,819 --> 00:09:53,100 of think it is that held a sign that 236 00:10:00,410 --> 00:09:58,829 said Hornet plus three and oh we had put 237 00:10:02,449 --> 00:10:00,420 that sign or actually the ship people 238 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:02,459 the ship had had made this sign up it 239 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:05,730 was a paper cardboard sign and they'd 240 00:10:12,439 --> 00:10:09,930 stuck it on this velcro so that all the 241 00:10:13,910 --> 00:10:12,449 time that that the cameras were like 242 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:13,920 during the ceremony that when they 243 00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:17,310 landed at Pearl Harbor the cameras were 244 00:10:23,329 --> 00:10:19,920 fixed on that window you saw this legend 245 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:23,339 that said Hornet plus three the next 246 00:10:26,269 --> 00:10:24,689 time around by the way they when the 247 00:10:28,189 --> 00:10:26,279 same quarantine facility was used it 248 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:28,199 said the sign was put back on it said 249 00:10:33,499 --> 00:10:30,810 three more like before I can just 250 00:10:34,910 --> 00:10:33,509 imagine the PR guy at at Airstream the 251 00:10:38,210 --> 00:10:34,920 Earth's ring probably built this thing 252 00:10:39,590 --> 00:10:38,220 for nothing because they knew that every 253 00:10:40,819 --> 00:10:39,600 camera in the world I mean the eyes of 254 00:10:42,379 --> 00:10:40,829 the world are gonna be focused on this 255 00:10:46,429 --> 00:10:42,389 little window and above this window was 256 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:46,439 their logo big and instead imagine their 257 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:48,689 chagrin one when they they saw this 258 00:10:52,370 --> 00:10:50,399 great event on television and there is 259 00:10:53,629 --> 00:10:52,380 the president and there is the the first 260 00:10:55,910 --> 00:10:53,639 three guys come back to the moon and 261 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:55,920 above the window it says Hornet plus 262 00:10:59,389 --> 00:10:57,689 three instead of air stream because this